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« on: February 05, 2008, 01:09:01 PM »
It's me again!!
Having problems with my 5 step sparring (probably with everything else as well!)
My intention is to try and hit my partner knowing that the chances are slim to none since he knows what attack is coming,is this right or is it a form of kihon where the partner is there for distance judging etc.
when challenging I stride as close as I can to my partner, I've been told to stride or cover as much ground as possible. this inevitable brings my punching arm too close or I loose my balance?
Going against someone like Shane he steps into your body before punching making it real difficult to get a block in?
I am totally confused as to either you step in as much as possible ? your opponent role? When doing it I feel as if I'm in slow motion?
4.00am and couldn't sleep going over my steps and different scenarios. Still none the wiser.
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 01:20:13 PM »
My intention is to try and hit my partner

This is where it starts going wrong. Once you start out with 'hitting' as the main objective then stance, posture, technique and relaxation go out of the window. For exactly the same reasons trying to cover as much distance as possible is a bad thing.
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 01:49:29 PM »
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It's me again!!
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Having problems with my 5 step sparring
It's not easy just because it's simple - knowing that you're having problems is a BIG part of getting better ;)

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My intention is to try and hit my partner knowing that the chances are slim to none since he knows what attack is coming,is this right or is it a form of kihon where the partner is there for distance judging etc.

Both ! ;)   You should always be "aiming" to hit your partner and do damage in any Kimite practice BUT you should be in control enough so that you can pull the technique to avoid injury should your partner not react quickly enough or have a momentary laps/brainfreeze.

...and yes it's also about distancing and technique - no real point in getting within 12 inches of your opponents face and then trying to deliver a punch through the back of his head at full extension is there ? ....much better (IMO) to try to get "close enough""as quickly as possible"  to deliver your chosen tecnique with corrcet distance and timing - should result in an overall faster attack and better opportunity to catch your opponent.

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when challenging I stride as close as I can to my partner, I've been told to stride or cover as much ground as possible. this inevitable brings my punching arm too close or I loose my balance?

Hmmmm..... are you "sure" this is precisely what you've been told ? - it makes sense in a "general" sense - assuming that your partner will step as you expect but as I've suggested above your goal should be to get within striking distance BEFORE they've had time to set up properly for the block/counter and hence (IMO) you need to be striving to cover FULL distance as quickly as possible but prepared to readjust depending on your partners reaction.......

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Going against someone like Shane he steps into your body before punching making it real difficult to get a block in?
Good Lad ;)

Arms will move much faster than legs in most circumstances and a major factor in delivering REAL punching (or kicking) power is getting your body mass moving as quickly as possible as you deliver the impact with the arm/leg - the arm WILL catch up with your body - trust me on this ;)

Another major factor in power delivery is the sequence in which you apply the various muscles in your body to delivering the technique so the striking limb should be the culmination of the technique delivery - possibly think of the extreme case wher you stick your arm out first and then charge forward to punch and now think about the sequence when Shane delivers his attack - the other advantage is that in a genuine kumite situation your opponent doesn't know what attack to defend against until the last possible moment...... ;)

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I am totally confused as to either you step in as much as possible ? your opponent role? When doing it I feel as if I'm in slow motion?

LOL - join the Club ;) - but seriously - hopefully at least some of my ramblings above will make some sort of sense/help with your issues :)

BTW - The opponents "role" is  (IMO) is to wait till the last possible moment that he feels is safe for him before attempting to block the attack - and then to try to counter with as little gap between the block and the counter that he catches the opponent before they've "settled" into stance. NOTE - you need to be able to tell the differnece between this "waiting" approach and the "Startled Rabbit"  approach ;)

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4.00am and couldn't sleep going over my steps and different scenarios. Still none the wiser.

Keep asking questions - it will come with practice (eventually- so they tell me - I still struggle with Sanbon and Gohon Ippon - as it should be with good partners) :)

EDIT: I also agree with Huw's post - despite any apparent conflict in what I've said above  :)
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 02:45:51 PM »
LOL. Thanks Jim. I think we're saying the more or less the same thing. Difference is I was one of the ones he was trying to 'hit' last night.

Let me explain a little. B&D isn't just trying to 'hit' his opponents - he's trying to put them (or maybe just me) into a geostationary orbit. It's probably fair to say that B&D needs to relax a bit. Tense is somewhat of an understatement.  :wink:

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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 03:00:40 PM »
...did you take that piccie of me at Edinburgh Huw ?   :lol:

So he's decided not to wait for your counters the I guess  :twisted:

...but you're right everyone needs to know the differnence between a fully committed attack and someone who should be "committed" attacking   :lol:
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2008, 03:15:57 PM »
He's firmly in the latter category. A true Seki in the making  8) 8) 8)
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2008, 05:05:08 PM »
oss !!Huw
Thanks for the encouragement. The only time i'm more relaxed is when I'm sleeping. I do get a bit exited and so a bit too eager to want penetration during my moves. I try just as hard to hit anyone who is in front of me, there's no consideration for sex or age, only if there is a lower grade belt, shouldn't anyone else be fair game #-o. On a serious note though: Karate is so much ying yang,Black and white, tense relax, from one extreme to the other, its a matter of doing the right one at the right time, I expect this gets easier to judge with experience.
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2008, 05:07:52 PM »
oss !!Huw
Thanks for the encouragement. The only time i'm more relaxed is when I'm sleeping. I do get a bit exited and so a bit too eager to want penetration during my moves. I try just as hard to hit anyone who is in front of me, there's no consideration for sex or age, only if there is a lower grade belt, shouldn't anyone else be fair game #-o. On a serious note though: Karate is so much ying yang,Black and white, tense relax, from one extreme to the other, its a matter of doing the right one at the right time, I expect this gets easier to judge with experience.
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2008, 05:16:33 PM »
Karate is so much ying yang,Black and white, tense relax, from one extreme to the other, its a matter of doing the right one at the right time

You are quite right Arwel. Very perceptive.
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2008, 05:46:08 PM »
Thanks Jimmy, and Huw, that face has some truly rugged macho features :lol:
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 06:13:59 PM »
Thanks Jimmy, and Huw, that face has some truly rugged macho features :lol:

Why thank you Young Sir  :D
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 10:35:06 PM »
I do get a bit exited and so a bit too eager to want penetration during my moves. I
I know the feeling! :D

It's me again!!
Having problems with my 5 step sparring (probably with everything else as well!)
My intention is to try and hit my partner knowing that the chances are slim to none since he knows what attack is coming,is this right or is it a form of kihon where the partner is there for distance judging etc.
when challenging I stride as close as I can to my partner, I've been told to stride or cover as much ground as possible. this inevitable brings my punching arm too close or I loose my balance?
Going against someone like Shane he steps into your body before punching making it real difficult to get a block in?
I am totally confused as to either you step in as much as possible ? your opponent role? When doing it I feel as if I'm in slow motion?
4.00am and couldn't sleep going over my steps and different scenarios. Still none the wiser.



I don't know if this is any help at all  but last night Alun showed me how it's not always about the technique you do but about how you prepare it, for example by loading your back foot you can make the right distance by attacking(punching,kicking) and simple things like the position your arms are in in kamai effects the distance you are able to make with your arms and whether the punch is effective or not.somebody else could probably explain what I'm trying to say better but I hope you sort of understand what I'm getting at. :P
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Re: gohon ippon kumite
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2008, 10:50:29 PM »
also remember to bend the front knee, a few inches bend there makes a load of distance, especially over gohon ippon kumite
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