Author Topic: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?  (Read 5235 times)

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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2008, 11:52:30 AM »
They did some research with machines, computer etc. in Magdeburg University.
Will try to get hold of this and then get involved.
You are usually good in googling stuff ... can you try to find out what they published lately?

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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2008, 12:51:05 PM »
I'll have a look Odine - but it' not really necessary - I know the answer and also why...... :twisted:

...as I've said before - some of you are being way too "scientific" about this - try and get the chance to watch someone doing it....
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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2008, 02:37:50 PM »
Can't find what Odine is looking for - but then again the index docs are in GERMAN Odi  :D

But for those of you who want to muck about confusing yourselves with the physics angle - start here :-

http://academic.reed.edu/physics/courses/Phys100/Lab%20Manuals/Physics%20of%20Karate/physicskarate.pdf
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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #63 on: May 21, 2008, 02:46:34 PM »
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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2008, 11:34:12 PM »
Hi, just got hold of this thread.

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the speed of your average oi-tsuki, be it jodan or chudan is pretty much the same.  i.e. if you measured 1000 jodan punches vs 1000 chudan punches, the statistical differentiation would not be significant,  Reason?  the targets (on a static subject) are in the same range.

Having watched many good kumite videos, seeing our sensei fight shobu ippon at 'full speed/full power' and recalling my own natural instinct in kumite and more clearly other fight situations in the past, it always rings out that you should hit the face (causing more surprise and doing more damage) faster. Body shots are mainly used when up close, or even 'trading'.

My reasoning is that with a confident and committed jodan attack, our bodies will extend the straighter line from back foot, straight leg through hips (body dynamics) to straight arm, oi tsuki faster as it is a linear chain movement and as such, all the forces from the floor are transmitted in the same direction. Moley is especially good at demonstrating this. The final acceleration at the kime point should also be marginally faster than that of a chudan punch.

This though can be turned on its head in UKTKF competition kumite, where a well 'wound up' gyaku tsuki is the main scoring technique. However, I believe this is because of Lloydie's second point:

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subjectively chudan punches may seem faster to some peeps, because they do not de-accelerate the punch as much as they do when targeting jodan -  IMHO

We do tend to pull our 'ippons'.

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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2008, 11:39:02 PM »
.....all about "stance" and "stepping" IMO :wink: - I think you Seki guys must just be P!sh at attacking Chudan.... [-( :twisted:
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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2008, 11:44:07 PM »
Perhaps, but we're nae tae bad at 'tackin jodan big fella.  :P

BTW, us gogs should adopt the use of the word "P!sh" down here.
It has a certain completeness to it - you know where you stand.

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Re: Are Chudan Punches faster than Jodan ?
« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2008, 11:50:29 PM »
Perhaps, but we're nae tae bad at 'tackin jodan big fella.  :P

BTW, us gogs should adopt the use of the word "P!sh" down here.
It has a certain completeness to it - you know where you stand.

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LOL - Wani  8)

...I'm just GLAD to know you all can score more with Jodan.....  :wink:
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