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Offline Lloydie

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« on: October 21, 2003, 05:11:16 PM »
Couple of weeks ago, I took my eldest son to his Ju-Jitsu grading (he declined karate in favour of Ju-Jitsu, rightly I think as he is naturally "grappler" not a "striker" - now that's another thread!!!).  Anyway, I observed a 1st kyu and a dan grade engaging in a striking/blocking combination.  Basically it was age ueki, uchi uke , gedan bari all with the left hand against right hand attacks (they did change after).  The punches started off reasonably paced then went on to pretty much what you might expect to get chucked at you in the street by an inexperienced sort of fighter (hook punch/haymaker sort of stuff).  I was quite impressed with this training drill, and given recent experiences I'm a bit keen to improve my blocking.  To add to it, last night Moley and Mole Bach gave an impromptu exhibition in the pub of "a bit o blocking" and that looked good too, not too far removed from the above.

Anyone any thoughts on drills to improve blocking?

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2003, 06:18:12 PM »
Strange as it may seem.
Yo! Lloydie, My man !
 I see where you are getting at here. Being a most physical type of guy, I really enjoy going "One on One", ("Mano et Mano" ) and pitting strength against strength. The blocks you saw Mole bach and myself do in the Pub last night are an old Goju Ryu training drill.(The hard bit of Go- Ju ) I love it when my attacks are blocked really, really strong. I like to "mix it" and basically my kinda karate is "do or die - all or nothing"Now the strongest person I've ever come accross is "Gizmo".  :shock: Let's face it, he's got the speed, but he is also so unbelieveably strong. As Eryl always says, "He's as strong as a bull elephant and twice as stubborn".  Now you must realise that before he self-reducated himself, he was stonemason. He worked hard with his hands/body every day. Hauling rocks ! (Seen the thickness of his wrists ?) No wonder he's naturally strong. Couple this with all the weight training he's done and the Sports science degree and you have "One formidable dude"
When he did his Yondan grading up in Edinburgh, after Graham ( McLaren) was injured/eliminated, he went on to destroy all the other Sandan candidates that Kawasoe Sensei sent against him.
Now I love fighting Gizmo, I don't mind when he blocks me really hard aqnd counters with a technique which leaves no doubt in my mind "Oh Oh Moley, That would've KILLED you"

What really frustrates/pi##es me off/annoys/depresses/upsets/finishes me off. is when he doesn't block with force. When he simply
 "Takes my KIME away from me"

NOW THAT IS DEFEAT !
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2003, 11:29:59 AM »
OK, what about this then (sorry - another extract from Plee, but his books on my desk so.... :oops: )

"In attack and defence, think of the rotation of the wrist, for a small force can turn aside a great one".

Then again, a lot of people advocate attacking the arm with a block - actually try and hurt your opponent (e.g. Kase I think?)
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2003, 01:25:13 PM »
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Then again, a lot of people advocate attacking the arm with a block - actually try and hurt your opponent (e.g. Kase I think?)


Gizmo was called up to demonstrate with Kase Sensei. He described being blocked by him as like - "..being hit with a cricket bat"

This now presents an interesting question.
To block (as a damaging attack) or to block (avoidingly and stealing kime)
Which one ? (Or is there a time and place for both ways ?)

Although I know how I like my techniques blocked...I don't really know what I myself use as a block/blocks..any comments/complaints ?
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 01:44:08 PM »
Moley wrote:
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Although I know how I like my techniques blocked...I don't really know what I myself use as a block/blocks..any comments/complaints ?
You favour a"block, grab and pull" on jodan punches, from my humble experience  :shock:

 
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This now presents an interesting question.
To block (as a damaging attack) or to block (avoidingly and stealing kime)
Which one ? (Or is there a time and place for both ways ?)


Dave Hooper talked about age uke's being strikes going forward but blocks going back, which made a lot of sense to me at the time.

I also like your demonstration of shuto, which combines a block at the initial move followed by the strike.  




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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2005, 02:20:59 PM »
Any ideas/theories about "Blocking with the legs or feet"  ?
What about the leg movements in Tekki for example ?
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2005, 04:53:38 PM »
There s a girl who now trains with us who s from Australia and she used to do a mix of tae kwondo/ karate, and they do blocks using their legs, a sort of crescent kick type thing.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2005, 06:10:38 PM »
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they do blocks using their legs, a sort of crescent kick type thing.


Isn't that move (chudan at least) in Heian Sandan ? I feel pretty sure that somebody's demonstrated that in Seki using me as the target  :x  :x
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2005, 04:48:48 PM »
A little while back I was a member of a Goju Rye club thinking back, I guess  the emphasis was quite different  from Shotokan, but I do recall two blocking techniques one demostrated in action by our senseil Morita who used his elbow to block a kin geri (low kick!).  We also practiced a sort of continuous hand to hand contact technique with an opponent so that you couldn't be hit, you sort of countered their hand movement with your own until it was possible to strike.  Well that was the idea I suppose.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2005, 01:54:49 PM »
Hate to sound 'bookish' (again).. but I've seen cesent kicks and reverse cresent kicks in basic shotokan karate books. In 'The Beginners guide..' for example, JVW shows them as striking kicks using the ball of the foot.. kind of a 'poor mans mawashi', without the power.

They might make more sense as blocks.. albeit slow ones. Maybe they're useful if your hands are otherwise engaged. No doubt the katas contain the answers here.. but I don't know any with cresent kicks in them yet   :?

We're not really a 'kicking' club in seki.. a good thing in my opinion. Kicks are great when you're 18 and made of rubber..

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2005, 03:36:02 PM »
What do you mean, not a kicking club at seki??? Mole bach has superb technique in his kicks. Keep practicing and your kicks will improve- never give up  :)
Also crescent kicks or sometimes changed to stamping kicks are used in Heian Sandan, and Godan, as well as Bassai Dai,Bassai sho, and many more :!:
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2005, 06:59:37 PM »
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We're not really a 'kicking' club in seki.. a good thing in my opinion. Kicks are great when you're 18 and made of rubber..

Guy


Mmmmm I think I agree with you there Guy.  :D
I've got this fantastic lesson on kicking, :D  :D  (last time they all complained)  :(  :(
Perhaps it's time to dig it out of the archives again ?
Eh Huw ? lloydie ?   :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2005, 07:31:11 PM »
Ah, but Moley - your kicking lessons are wimp-outs compared to Sensei Hoopers classics !! ;-) Remember the hoping excercise ? For those that missed it ...

Stand on one leg
Hop 45° (forward and to one side)
Land on other leg then perform mae geri
Do not have more then one foot touching the ground at any time
Repeat until you reach the other side of the dojo !!!

Marvelous stuff. Well it was for Lloydie and me standing at the sidelines !!  :P
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2005, 08:28:35 PM »
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Ah, but Moley - your kicking lessons are wimp-outs

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 :x I feel a "Good Guy - Bad guy" thingy coming on for Thursday's lesson.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2005, 08:33:22 PM »
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We're not really a 'kicking' club in seki.
Guy, don't take this personally, but I am going to kill you  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

NEVER say to Moley "I don't think we do enough of................"
 
I think I'll dust off the zimmer frame for Friday, 'cos Thursday's session is going to be a killer  :shock:  :shock:

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