Topic: Most Appropriate Counter Technique Following a Block or UKE

[JimmyTheHoover]

Work it Out......

[JimmyTheHoover]

.... no brave souls  

 Well even for me it might have been a bit cryptic  

What I was thinking was if you look at the body dynamics of Kihon Blocking techniques does anyone feel that there is one particular counter technique which follows on from the block which is particularly effective ?

Cheers,

JTH

[Lloydie]

I'll have a stab Jimmy:

counter technique by the person who has just blocked?  gyaku-tsuki I would say, why?  because the hips in kihon blocks are at hamni, leading more naturally to the shomen movement which would best suit gyaku-tsuki, whilst utilising the hikete movement of the (previously) blocking arm.

Phew !!


Lloydie

[JimmyTheHoover]

I'll have a stab Jimmy:

counter technique by the person who has just blocked?  gyaku-tsuki I would say, why?  because the hips in kihon blocks are at hamni, leading more naturally to the shomen movement which would best suit gyaku-tsuki, whilst utilising the hikete movement of the (previously) blocking arm.

Phew !!


Lloydie

If you'r ehaving a stab LLoydie - Shouldn't that be Gyaku-Nuki-te   ?    

......Fairly "Traditional" Answer ---- much as expected - possibly not as Hoped For  

[Sean]

Are you talking about using the seoncd movement of the "block" as a strike?
Some pretty effective movements (locks, breaks, etc) in there.  

[JimmyTheHoover]

Are you talking about using the seoncd movement of the "block" as a strike?
Some pretty effective movements (locks, breaks, etc) in there.  

Not sure Sean - what YOU mean by second movement    - for example (although a perfectly good application) I'm not really looking at the hike-te hand grabbing the attacking limb and pulling it into a break with the block "type of thing" - I'm genuinely looking at the concept of which technique after/continuing on from the primary/secondary block would/could/should be most effective ......

Hope that makes some kind of crazy sense .....  

[Sean]

Doesn't that depend on a variety of factors? What the original attack was, the type of block used, the opponent's position and subsequent movement relative to you, etc  

[Huw]

It also depends how you define effective !!    I was going to offer kizami-tzuki as an appropriate technique. OK it lacks absolute power but it would be an immediate response, the striking hand would be very close to the opponent. And if used as the first in a combination of techniques would be quite effective.

Please Sir is that the right answer ?          

[JimmyTheHoover]

Doesn't that depend on a variety of factors? What the original attack was, the type of block used, the opponent's position and subsequent movement relative to you, etc  

Indeed - but we're talking "KIhon" blocking situations here So to simplify let's assume Ippon KIhon DRill..

JTH

[JimmyTheHoover]

It also depends how you define effective !!    I was going to offer kizami-tzuki as an appropriate technique. OK it lacks absolute power but it would be an immediate response, the striking hand would be very close to the opponent. And if used as the first in a combination of techniques would be quite effective.

Please Sir is that the right answer ?          

Very Good Huw (Hughie) - that's the sort of thing I'm wondering about myself and whether the technique varies from block to block etc.

....when is it benficial to trade some absolute power for perhaps a fraction of a second speed advantage to allow a "stun/setup" technique to precede a more powerfull "finishing" counter or combination......

[Lloydie]

.....Fairly "Traditional" Answer ---- much as expected - possibly not as Hoped For

 Ahh... I thought you wanted "effective"  

OK, given your idea of sacrificing a bit of power, I would say flat hand nukite to the eyes, the hand then moving behind the head pulling the back of the neck forwards and extending, finishing with mawashi empi to the throat.

 

lloydie

[Huw]

Very Good Huw (Hughie)

         
Did young Jewels put you up to that? Grrrrr.

is it benficial to trade some absolute power for perhaps a fraction of a second speed advantage to allow a "stun/setup" technique to precede a more powerfull "finishing" counter or combination......

I'd say so - but hell, what do I know!!  

Do we too often think of individual techniques instead of combinations? In The Gospels of Sensei Naito techniques are always used in combination to provide maximum effect.

[Jewels]

Gedan Barai Uke to the testicles and a Uchi Ude Uke to the face.

[Moley]

Gedan Barai Uke to the testicles and a Uchi Ude Uke to the face.

       
Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhh! Jewels !

Nasty one !

I think this one wins hands down Jimmy.  I bet all the men reading this are going "OOooooooooFFFF"

[Huw]

Moley, is this the same Jewels as the one that moans all the time that "she can't do karate" ?!! Surely some mistake