Topic: Most Appropriate Counter Technique Following a Block or UKE

[Jewels]

no no i can do it, i just need another 50yrs to perfect it.

[Huw]

LOL          Don't we all Jewels, don't we all !!  Mind you if karate was easy we probably wouldn't bother would we ?!

[JimmyTheHoover]

.....Fairly "Traditional" Answer ---- much as expected - possibly not as Hoped For

 Ahh... I thought you wanted "effective"  

OK, given your idea of sacrificing a bit of power, I would say flat hand nukite to the eyes, the hand then moving behind the head pulling the back of the neck forwards and extending, finishing with mawashi empi to the throat.

 

lloydie

Lloydie,

1) Depends on one's definition of "effective" I suppose    and whether you are looking for an "effective" "Outcome" or Todai first technique  

2) Which block are you "following up" ?

3) Which hand with the first "counter strike" ?

[JimmyTheHoover]

Gedan Barai Uke to the testicles and a Uchi Ude Uke to the face.

       
Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhh! Jewels !

Nasty one !

I think this one wins hands down Jimmy.  I bet all the men reading this are going "OOooooooooFFFF"

Jewels - Am I missing something here are you proposeing to follow up a Kihon Block (which one ?) with a block as a counter or a strike OR are you suggesting the Block is the strike ? and don't forget it's also dependant on the attack........ (definitely painfull though   )

OK - Note to ALL
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Decide (and state) which Kihon Attack - which block you use and which counter following on from the block - and preferably why  

BUt as usual feel free to throw in any ideas thoughts threats   or considerations

JTH

[JimmyTheHoover]

LOL          Don't we all Jewels, don't we all !!  Mind you if karate was easy we probably wouldn't bother would we ?!

That must be why I don't bother much    

.....and Shuggie Boy (Huw/Hughie) isn't Todai really just a Combination of one  

[Moley]

Gedan Barai Uke to the testicles and a Uchi Ude Uke to the face.

       
Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhh! Jewels !

Nasty one !

I think this one wins hands down Jimmy.  I bet all the men reading this are going "OOooooooooFFFF"

Jewels - Am I missing something here are you proposeing to follow up a Kihon Block (which one ?) with a block as a counter or a strike OR are you suggesting the Block is the strike ? and don't forget it's also dependant on the attack........ (definitely painfull though   )



JTH

Jimmy - What I think Jewels is suggesting is this:
Attacker moves in fast with Oi-Tsuki (Jodan or Chudan doesn't matter)
Defender does a quick Sabaki to the inside,
Drops all his bodyweight "a la Kase sensei" into a Gedan barraai TETTSUI to the testicles with a slight upward angle to the strike.  
Then springs up again "a la Kase sensei" striking the descending face or neck with an Uchi Ude Uke type URAKEN.

[Mole Bach]

Does it really matter as long as it's an IPPON!!!?

[Moley]

I think this is a clever ploy by J.T.H. to "SPY"        on us and steal our ideas so that he can use them against people in his club and "Look Good"

           

[Jewels]

Moley knows what i mean yes, the block is the strike. Not very fancy but would work effectively for me. Isent that the point? what are you getting at Jimmy?
Talking about blocks, if someone smashes your arm with an Age Uke, which hits a nerve and then leaves after the first session leaving you to carry on with a dead arm just when you bl**dy need it most, not the first time either. what do i do? can i do the above?

[JimmyTheHoover]

Well - some more fuel for the fire .......

O.K. When I first posted (and as explained in my second post) it was a genuine inquiry about whether people felt that the most appropriate counter technique following a particular Kihon Block perhaps varied depending on which block was used.

So bearing in mind that beginners seem to be taught to counter Gyaku-Tsuke in response to most Kihon Attacks for as long period of time I was wondering how effective this actually was or whether anyone felt that as you have progressed (hopefully) through the grades/years that certain particular counter techniques seem to "lend themselves" to being more natural/effective counter techiniques following a particular block......

So bearing in mind that we were originally talking about Kihon drills here I was deliberately "ignoring" the Sabaki aspects as that doesn't tend to be allowed/featured until higheer Kyu grades etc......

BUt having said that I myself  have though often about the possibility/potential of using the "initial" counter following the Kihon block as a form of "SET UP" strike or distraction for a more effective "Todai" technique - but I can't quite make my mind up as to whether I should just stop thinking so much and concentrate more on making every block AND every counte a Todai technique in it's own right.......