Topic: Heian Shodan

[Huw]

Firstly don't bother with this until you have broadband!!

http://www.karateresource.com/kata/heianshodan.htm
Check out some of the videos on this page. The one that really caught my eye was Heian Shodan "performed full speed and power".

What's going on with the gedan barai's? Does anyone know what the rational is behind this quite complex movement (certainly compared to our interpretation).

The same applies to shuto-uke, there seems to be a double movement that I can't figure out what it's for?

[Lloydie]

Yes, there was guy with us (Mark) a while back who used this double technique.  I am not sure that it is really effective in the kata, as the upper body movement, especially on the turns, is disconnected to the lower body movement. I would say that this results in a weaker technique.  However, the double movement might be useful in close quarter work, such as is seen in the Tekki katas.  But it is not standard JKA kata.

You may also notice, without being hyper-critical, that the footwork tends to move in and then out, when moving forward.  I've seen this in some of the old KUGB clubs, and I remember Mole Bach explaining the origins of this and why it was wrong.  (I'll leave that one to him   )

Lloydie

[Lloydie]

Interestingly, they don't use this double movement in the "Bunkai" parts of the videos, which is where I would expect to see it.  These are standard kihon moves.

Bit puzzling  


Lloydie

[Huw]

Bit puzzling  


Lloydie

I thought so too.

Some of the bunkai is good, worth the hassle of downloading - some, ahem, less so!! Johnathon used to do a bit of a double movement in gedan barai but I'd never seen this form of shuto.

[Mole Bach]

Hmmm,

Not quite JKA, BUT have seen similar LONG ago.

It depends on the instructors and THEIR views/interpritation of things, similar to what Lloydie was saying regarding the old KUGB system.

I guess that's why we're SO lucky in having Kawasoe Sensei, pure JKA Shotokan without any digression.

[siwan]

Interestingly, they don't use this double movement in the "Bunkai" parts of the videos, which is where I would expect to see it.  These are standard kihon moves.

Bit puzzling  


Lloydie

I think this  "double" is not a double technique but the technique with a reaction hand used before each technique.Like in basics in a grading we were taught to use reaction hand in soto uke for example, after delivering the block , as you move to the next block you extend your arm straight before blocking with the other hand. (hope you understand what I mean  

[Lloydie]

Yes, I see that in the Bunkai Siwan, but in the kata it seems a double-hikete move.  I am not quite sure what it achieves, especially in the dynamic movement of the kata.

Lloydie (still puzzled!)

[GuyB]

From an inexperienced point of view.. the kata doesn't 'look' too great. High stances and the rythm seems lost.

Ps.. I'm insanely drunk after screaming my lungs up all night 'again!'. Kiai repeatedly for about 45 minutes and you'll get the idea      

[Mole Bach]

Just been to their home page......

"At present we are able to host courses in Aikido, Ju Jutsu, and Kickboxing, as well as our own Karate, Aerobic kickboxing, and self-defence sessions."

AND...

"Monthly special sessions focus on subjects like Torite Jutsu, Kobudo, and competition sparring."

BUT IF YOU WANT TO BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR...

"You might have the time on your hands and the means to Fast Track to Black Belt."

Nuff said,

Obviously another 'Academy', no wonder the performance was Sh@*.

[Mole Bach]

This is the basis of their 'technical' analysis on Shuto...

"Should the opponent be horrendously bigger or taller than yourself make it a good hit to the ribs under the arms as these ribs have a tendency to break easily!!! "

Ohhh yeh, like %&$*, WITH A SHUTO.

Huw, this is YOUR FAULT for making me angry before going to bed.  

[Huw]

Huw, this is YOUR FAULT for making me angry before going to bed.  

Very sorry Mole Bach. My own ribs are now almost fully recovered so should you wish to avail yourself of the Pioden Makiwara service please feel free on Monday or Thursdau night.

Have a nice day.

Huw





Azzy. That's the polite way to get the seniors to knock you around a bit. There really is no need to bandy around cheap insults to get the same result.  

[Azzy_Stealth]

Very sorry Mole Bach. My own ribs are now almost fully recovered so should you wish to avail yourself of the Pioden Makiwara service please feel free on Monday or Thursdau night.

Have a nice day.

Huw

During a visit to my GP weeks ago to complain about headaches, a long - 6years back pain problem and how easily I bruise, the doctor came up with a treatment.
 
Forget about Karate and take up pilates to help my back and limit possability of bruising. He also wanted me to take a blood test to check my clotting and blood count.
3 days later I was asked to go back and give another sample of blood to check something??? unbeknown to me. 2weeks later when a suitable appointment was available I went in again. 4 days after my Doc. and asked me to call him back to discuss the results. He was unavailable to take my call and said he would call back after he had cleared his apointments. at 7pm he called back - 2 hours later he called back and told me that both blood test showed a high white blood cell count and the test for glandular feaver was positive.
 
I have been advised not to return to training for about 8 weeks and especially take care of my liver and spleen as they are inflamed and tender.

If I were to train hard then the virus could become prolonged.

Therefore I have taken a week off and will be back for 1 hour a week over the next few weeks.

     I hate doctors they know nothing.

AND as for giving up Seki he can FECK OOf
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