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Offline Huw

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« on: November 04, 2005, 03:00:00 PM »
What's the general view on the "new" soto uke?

Should we be teaching this on Wednesday or leaving it 'till senior classes? Personally I think the "old" soto-uke is a useful tool for teaching hip use. The "new" one is also very painful is done properly - which may not be a good thing for beginners.
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2005, 03:32:21 PM »
What do you mean new soto uke? That s how sensei  kawasoe has always taught it, -and Pete Hughes as well  :D
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2005, 04:26:18 PM »
We were always taught it as a more 'across' technique than a down - if you see what I mean!! Where did that come from then ?!!!
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2005, 05:38:57 PM »
True Huw I think  the emphasis was a sort of across movement
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2005, 09:43:24 AM »
Does no-one have anything to say on this ?  :(  :(
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2005, 12:35:27 PM »
Agreed, it's the way I've always seen Sensei teach it.  Down in a 45 degreeish angle.  He has in the past likened it to a sword cut or somesuch.  Starting from a position where elbow and shoulder are vertical, ending where fist and shoulder are vertical.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2005, 12:36:45 PM »
Err, I mean I agree with Siwan.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2005, 12:41:19 PM »
I've never done it or taught it as an 'across' movement.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2005, 02:41:45 PM »
Very curious!!! Where did the 'across' technique come from then?!! I think we're still teaching the 'across' technique on Wednesday :?  Moley, what's going on?!!!
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2005, 03:26:45 PM »
It was definately across wasent it? I think Moley just forgot and made that up 'cos after Edinburgh it was the other way :roll:
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2005, 04:04:58 PM »
The 'across' movement is, IMHO, a great one for beginners. It emphasises hip usage in a way which I think most students find very accessible.

Moley, you're very quiet on this subject ... :shock:  :shock:
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2005, 07:16:41 PM »
Nope, I think you guys have got the wrong end of the stick here somewhere.  In twenty years of training I have never been taught it as being across, ie as moving on a horizontal plane, always diagonal type technique. If you think about it, you would have to have the elbow pretty low throughout in order to accomplish this.  

Also, I don't believe in teaching it differently to beginners, it's pretty simple whichever way you do it.  The difficulty lies in the co-ordination of hips and arm, and I can't see how the elbow position at the beginning of the technique can influence this.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2005, 07:59:21 PM »
I'm quiet because I have other things on the BURN at the moment. MEGA THINGS >> TO DO WITH SURVIVAL.  A Bomb I planted Just went off in my face.
I'm delagating this pointb to those that can deal with it..

As long as it works Huw !
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2005, 08:03:39 PM »
But what about Ifans the Tryc?
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2005, 09:26:40 PM »
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But what about Ifans the Tryc?


Ifans The Tryc was a Welsh character in the 1970's. He was very popular on Welsh radio and T.V.
A bit of a rebel he went to record a programme in London. Whilst there he went out one evening to a Pub in the West End and got absolutely Pi$$ed.
They bodily threw him out of the Pub.
Five minutes later he was back, Whilst the Bouncers were dragging him out He Shouted..
"There's one Good thing about Wales.
We've got SNOWDON
and it kills five or six of you English B..... every year"
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