Topic: Kitei Kata on Tape?

[Makoto]

Hello there, I was wondering if anyone has the kitei kata on tape and if I could have a copy? I am especially looking something that will teach me specifically the moves of the kata. I know the general moves from years ago. But, if you do round house kick high you will lose points because the kick is middle body. So techiques also have to be aimed at the right levels specificed. I just do not know exactly where each techique should be aimed.

So, even if there is no video does anyone have anything on paper explaining the moves of the Kitei?

Thank you.

[Huw]

I've never even heard of kitei kata !!! 

I did some Googling and found this
http://johnny5425.free.fr/kata/kitei/kitei.htm

Is this is any use to you?

[Lloydie]

Well done Huw - I thought Kitei Kata was a chocolate bar 


Lloydie

[Makoto]

Thank you very much, it helps me very much.

Not meaning to insult, but kitei is the componet kata of the fukugo competition under ITKF.

This link is good for showing me where I should be kicking and punching but for some one wanting to know the moves and the transition it is not so good.

Again thank you very much for finding that link. I have looked in the past but could not get anything.

[Mole Bach]

Under the rules of the ITKF, this Kata is changed every three years.

Although still called Kitei, the moves and timings are changed therefore unless you get an up to date version, then it's of no use.

[Huw]

Mole Bach, you seem to be most up to date about all this - could you explain what Kitei Kata is all about. Moley explained briefly to me  last week but I'm sure many people who read this would also like an explaination!! Changing it every three years certainly seems odd.

[Mole Bach]

The ITKF is a multi-style organisation, with members from Shotokan, Goju etc...
Now think how difficult it would be to judge Kata from different styles, especially the one's that you do not know, that's why the criteria for judging is on techniques and performance (power, fluidity etc) and not on the Kata its self (like I tried to explain on the way back from Blackpool this year).

So, Kitei was invented so that everyone, no matter which style they belonged to could have the same crack at the whip with the same Kata, sort of make it fair for everyone.

It's changed every three years again for this fairness, so that everyone who performs it has had the same amount of time to practice it.

Makes sense?
If not let me know and I'll try to explain in Azzy.

[Huw]

Makes sense?

Yes!! Thanks.

If not let me know and I'll try to explain in Azzy.

N tnx. IIRC I nvr cud spk AzZy. Cn U?

BTW just thinking about it ... Kitei was invented so that everybody could do "the same" kata for a given tournament. Correct?

Which kinda suggests that ALL the judges in an ITKF tournament are going to be familiar with the latest version of Kitei? Is this the reality or just a nice theory? I presume that this isn't the case in UKTKF comps (even though it's part of the ITKF) so is this just something for "big" international comps?

[Mole Bach]

BTW just thinking about it ... Kitei was invented so that everybody could do "the same" kata for a given tournament. Correct?

10\10

Which kinda suggests that ALL the judges in an ITKF tournament are going to be familiar with the latest version of Kitei? Is this the reality or just a nice theory?

Hmmm, good question, however ALL the judges should know the latest version, otherwise it's a waste of time.

I presume that this isn't the case in UKTKF comps (even though it's part of the ITKF) so is this just something for "big" international comps?

It would take just too long for the nationals, the big internationals are held over three days, so there's more categories etc.

[Huw]

Hmmm. I like the idea - very neat. I have a nagging feeling that the practise may be somewhat suspect - the logistics of getting ALL ITKF referees up to speed on the latest version of Kitei every three years would be formidable.

Anyway, as soon as I get my invitation to the ITKF kata finals I'll research it some more. For some unaccoutable reason I didn't get an invite this year   

[Azzy_Stealth]

 

I understood all that - well apart from Huw's txt spk

N tnx. IIRC I nvr cud spk AzZy. Cn U?   
WTF 

Sounds like a good idea in theory but is it consistent in competition, throughout the styles?

[Makoto]

The kitei is not for regular kata competition, but for Fukugo. Which is a competition where you do this kata first round against another player. The winner goes on to fight in the second round, and then the winner in the third round does the kitei again. This continues until we have a winner.

Yes the kitei was suppose to change every three years, but it has not. The form that Nishiyama taught us 12 years ago is still the same one in use today. I am not sure when or if the kitei will change in the future.

[Sean]

I have a video CD of the ITKF comps in Poland from a couple of years back with several performances of Kitei (and pretty good ones too).
PM me with your address and I'll get a copy to you (if I can find the CD!)

[Huw]

Hi Sean. Good of you to drop by. How's "y bychan"?

I'd like a copy if that's OK Sean. I'm finding this Kitei kata thing very interesting.

Just going off on a very slight tangent  if Kitei Kata levels the playing field between kata styles is there something similar for kumite. Or is kumite so similar between karate styles that no 'leveling' is required?

[JimmyTheHoover]

I have a video CD of the ITKF comps in Poland from a couple of years back with several performances of Kitei (and pretty good ones too).
PM me with your address and I'll get a copy to you (if I can find the CD!)

Sean is this a genaral invitation ? I'd be more tha happy to include some cash to cover your costs - and I'm Scottish