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Nan Demo Sanbon
« on: December 04, 2005, 08:08:41 PM »
1st question: Are you really not allowed to make an open - hand- counter ? Does the fist has to be closed ?
2nd question: How fast must the counter be - to be a proper technique ?
3er question: How many counters are you allowed to do? I observe sometimes 4-5 counters ... ???

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Re: Nan Demo Sanbon
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2005, 09:28:22 PM »
Actually I don't really know "The Rules"
This excercise was introduced to our club by Dave Hooper Sempai because this is what they used to do in Takushoku .
I suppose an open hand counter counts as long as it's an IPPON  !
The timing should be within the time limit for a counter to be an IPPON and not as an afterthought.
As for the 3 or 4 counters.. I don't know.
Wil e-mail Dave Hooper Sempai.
 
 
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Re: Nan Demo Sanbon (from Dave Hooper)
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2005, 10:41:01 AM »
Regarding the comments about nandemo 3-bon kumite, it was a practice done every day at Takushoku as a natural follow-on to 5-hon kumite and ippon-kumite.  While the attack could be any attack (“nandemo” means “anything” in Japanese), there was only one chance, and if the distance became unrealistic, the defender could counter, even before the attack took place.  If kicks were used, the counter would often be completed BEFORE the kicking technique was finished (a kick is often more easily seen unless the person attacking is very fast, very relaxed and thus able to execute the movement without telegraphing it).  With timing and distance being the two important factors, an open-hand counter would not generally have been the most appropriate (and would probably have been regarded as either ineffective, or rather arrogant). 
The whole emphasis of karate is on the single effective technique (which is why, of course, we do not need weight categories in competition).  A second (or third) counter should be meaningless.  If the counter is too late, or lacking the appropriate distance (i.e., too far away) or without “kime,” the chance has been lost.  It is too late to then try a second or third counter.  Equally, if the attack (or counter) is ineffective (i.e., the distance is not correct, or the opponent anticipates it before the attacker has a chance to effectively execute it), there is no second chance. 
   The “rules” are thus exactly the same as those that exist for ippon-kumite.  Whilst an open-handed counter is “allowed,” it might well be construed as rather “showing-off” a little, unless the person concerned is a very experienced karate-ka who clearly understands well the principles of kime, timing and distance.  Were I doing ippon-kumite with someone who decided to perform “haito” to the side of my neck as a counter, I would probably regard that as just a tad arrogant, and make sure that my next attack gave them no opportunity to counter at all!
   I shall try to check in on-line from time to time, although I may not have much opportunity to do so until well into the new year.
   Happy New Year to everyone in the club!
   Dave Hooper.

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Re: Nan Demo Sanbon
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2005, 11:17:01 AM »
Ok, I think that was a good explanation.
Thanks for that.

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Re: Nan Demo Sanbon
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2005, 07:29:18 PM »
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Divine Ruler... CAN YOU HEAR ME ????
We have actually managed to get Hooper sempai to join our forum !!!!
We must encourage him to be a regular visitor.
imagine the wealth of knowledge he can contribute to "Our" Forum.
Now I know for a fact that he will be really pi$$ed off to see that his rank is "PEASANT" now come on ! This is Hooper sempai who pays £70 for a wine glass ! Just so that he can appreciate a nice drop of wine. YOU Divine Ruler SHOULD appreciate this !.
Howsabout giving him Honorary Rank of "Sempai" ?????
Also get him a decent AVATAR !

We could be on to a good thing here..
Imagine a thread...
"Ask sempai...."

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Re: Nan Demo Sanbon
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2005, 08:05:51 PM »
This is Hooper sempai who pays £70 for a wine glass ! Just so that he can appreciate a nice drop of wine. YOU Divine Ruler SHOULD appreciate this !.
8) 8) 8) Another wino eh?!! I'll see what can be done for our esteemed friend. Who knows, it may even persuade him to visit us again soon  :D :D




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Re: Nan Demo Sanbon
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2005, 09:51:37 PM »
Great description of the origin, techniques and value of Nan Demo Sanbon, particularly good is the insight shared by Dave Hooper Sempai of his mindset for both attack and defence situations.

Dave, welcome to our forum, and hopefully we will benefit from a few more insights to follow, in the New Year.
Nice one Moley.  =D>

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