Author Topic: Competition Kata (Read 2846 times)

Huw · « **on:** October 01, 2006, 01:35:46 AM »

To paraphrase Paul Weller: "The more I see the less I understand"

If you do a strong, fast, purposeful kata in the champs now you seem to get marked down. If you do a slow, "showy" kata with little conviction and poor technique you score higher.

Can somebody (senior) shed some light on this?

siwan · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2006, 08:54:37 AM »

Also, isn't it unfair if the sensei of a particular competitior is refereeing in the final when the other competitors' senseis are not. There's bound to be an advantage if your sensei is in the corner in the final.

Mole Bach · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2006, 09:11:55 AM »

Siw,
Nearly right there, it depends on the badge............

some of the refs/judges are biased against certain badges/clubs and will most certainly knock them down in points

. Another thing that is apparent is that there are some who are EXPECTED to go through, even though there are others who are definately better in their performance.

It's always been that way, that's why I stopped competing and started to judge/ref to try and even things out a bit and bring some fairnes into the system.

Moley · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2006, 09:20:20 AM »

Huw - Symyd hwn i'r man dirgel !

Gwers Hanesyddol i ddod

Gwyn

Mole Bach · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2006, 12:57:40 PM »

Huw,

Who's Kate??????????????????????

Lloydie · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2006, 01:06:58 PM »

Dunno, but she likes competition apparently

Lloydie

Huw · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2006, 01:28:36 PM »

Spelling corrected.

Huw · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2006, 04:18:52 PM »

OK. I'm not entirely convinced by the possibility of biased judges - not in this case anyway. Shane was marked down by all the judges, not just one or two. And there was no judges "pow-wow" to discuss his kata either.

Could it be we are doing kata too fast?

Lloydie · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2006, 05:03:55 PM »

did he get a red flag?

Lloydie

Huw · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2006, 09:19:04 PM »

No. No red flag IIRC. Shane's marks where something like 6.9 7.0 7.0 6.9 .... something of that nature. For me it was like the judges where watching something completely different!

Huw · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2006, 11:24:13 AM »

Am I talking to myself here?

In my opinion Manon from Sakura was also very harshly marked. In the final Manon produced a very polished Jion. Her performance was excellent BUT she came third to two other girls doing Heian kata (and in my opinion) to a lower standard.

Pete Hughes also thought the same - and had made some less than complimentary remarks about the judging! OK Pete is obviously biased towards Manon BUT he also has seen enough comps to know that she was better than the rest.

Lloydie · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2006, 01:02:24 PM »

Well it's difficult to comment Huw, as I didn't see Shane's kata. The ususal scoring is for a mark to be set for the 1st one up and then use this as a standard by which to judge the rest of the competitors. 7:0 is a pretty average score, I am suprised that Shane got that given what I have seen of his kata in the dojo, however it might have been different on the day - or the judges were just cr&p

Lloydie

Huw · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2006, 01:31:34 PM »

Quote from: Lloydie on October 03, 2006, 01:02:24 PM

or the judges were just cr&p

I'm not convinced we can simply blame the judges. I think it could be something to do with our 'presentation' of the kata. Too fast? Too strong? Too much fighting not enough "Japanese face"?

Rhys? You watched Shane. What did you think?

BTW can anyone tell me what the judgeing criteria are for kata? Technical correctness certainly didn't seem to make a difference to anyone's marks on Saturday.

Lloydie · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2006, 02:15:19 PM »

Well to some extent it depends on what group you are judging - e.g. you expect a much higher standard from the higher grades. Gwyn & I and Rob Redpath were judging the brown belt cadet kata on the 1st area - to say it was dire would be an understatement

The kata seemed more of a slow dance than the transition, power, technique timing etc that is required. Body dynamics were just awful. I have a suspicion that this is how some other clubs are teaching kata - there was just no-one out of the group (of about 13) that did any kata that remotely resembled a decent effort, the highest score we gave was 7.2. (Alex would have stormed through to the final, even in his previous "jelly-baby" incarnation).

Lloydie

Rhys · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2006, 11:31:19 AM »

Quote from: Huw on October 03, 2006, 01:31:34 PM

I'm not convinced we can simply blame the judges. I think it could be something to do with our 'presentation' of the kata. Too fast? Too strong? Too much fighting not enough "Japanese face"?

Rhys? You watched Shane. What did you think?

BTW can anyone tell me what the judgeing criteria are for kata? Technical correctness certainly didn't seem to make a difference to anyone's marks on Saturday.

I thought that Shane's kata was very good - performed with the same style and power that he usually does in the dojo. As to why the judges weren't impressed with it? I can only guess that it was because of a) the power, and b) the speed generated in order to apply that power to each technique. In comparison, the other competitors seemed to be making more of a 'show' of it, drawing out each technique with smooth transition but with much less power.

It was a bit of a shock to me, as I thought an essential part of any kata is to perform it as if fighting a real oppenent? Hence the application of speed and power?

(BTW what does "Japanese face" mean? Serious face?

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