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Offline Shari

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« on: October 06, 2006, 02:30:25 PM »
 :D Brilliant lesson lastnight Moley, my poor little legs, you nearly killed me.
Really enjoyed it thanks :D
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Re: Lesson
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2006, 02:46:24 PM »
Yep - a real peach of a lesson, I thought the "kime" session was just fantastic.
If that's what your like when you're injured...... :shock:
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Re: Lesson
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2006, 03:39:21 PM »
Yes last nights lessons where great.

"Williams" deserves a mention for the first 40 minutes ....  :shock: :shock: WOW. Seldom has the word Yame! been so welcome (and so sparingly used)! Respect. I just hope I'll be able to do something like that when I'm his age!
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Re: Lesson
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2006, 04:11:01 PM »
Yes last nights lessons where great.

" I just hope I'll be able to do something like that when I'm his age!

Still talking about "Williams" I hope... :evil:

O.K. you people who had to suffer my ramblings last night, and here's one for Canada Tom.

I hope I understood my mother in law correctly, Japanese people NEVER give you a clear answer...

KIME
THE CHARACTER - KI is derived from " END or  FINISH or come to the CONCLUSION

THE ME CHARACTER - is to do the above   i.e To END IT.

KI ME RU = Decision ,finish , focus....

So where does that leave us ? :D :D :D

« Last Edit: October 06, 2006, 04:36:25 PM by Moley »
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Re: Lesson
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2006, 04:34:17 PM »
Dear me Mr Moley. Are you getting touchy about your vintage?!!!   :wink:

Yes I was still talking about Brian "No Yame" Pritchard (aka Williams)
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Re: Lesson
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2006, 04:37:14 PM »
Just amended my posting Huw:



O.K. you people who had to suffer my ramblings last night, and here's one for Canada Tom.

I hope I understood my mother in law correctly, Japanese people NEVER give you a clear answer...

KIME
THE CHARACTER - KI is derived from " END or  FINISH or come to the CONCLUSION

THE ME CHARACTER - is to do the above   i.e To END IT.

KI ME RU = Decision ,finish , focus....

So where does that leave us ? :D :D :D


Cryf oedd calon hen y glas glogwyni,
Cryfach oedd ei ebill ef a'i ddur,
Chwyddodd gyfoeth gwr yr aur a'r faenol,
O'i enillion prin a'i amal gur.

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Re: Lesson
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2006, 06:07:37 PM »
Yes I understood that the characters meant "decision"  can't remember where I saw that - maybe on 24 fighting chickens - I quite like that, it implies something instant and sharp to me.

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Re: Lesson
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2006, 10:43:51 PM »
Re: Moley's "where does that leave us?"

I'm familiar with kimeru (verb = to decide/finish), and all I found in Karate-Do no Kyohan about Kime was a loose translation: 'moment of focus.'  I take back all the crap I said on Thursday night - my new guess (and yes, this is still just a guess), is that Kime refers to that final, full-power, moment of focus and calm, clear, mind-body unification at the end of each technique.

Kime = A short-hand reminder:  Don't be sloppy and rush through the motions; know exactly what you're doing and finish each technique clearly and decisively. 

I don't think Kime is the power itself, but power is the natural result of proper kime.

That's my guess.  Thanks for tracking down the characters - suddenly makes a lot more sense!

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Re: Lesson
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2006, 11:33:21 PM »
A few more sources on Kime, if you're curious:  (Google: kime, karate)

http://www.karatethejapaneseway.com/articles/kime.html

the bit below is an excerpt from: http://www.shotokankarate.ca/The%20four%20cornerstones.htm

the emphasis on belief in yourself and clear, decisive use of techniques really reminds me of some of the stuff Naito was saying up in Edinburgh...


"KIME     
Kime is the sum of all your efforts.
The concentrated focus of all your physical, mental, and spiritual actions combined at a specific moment and place in time is called kime. The moment you make any kind of movement in karate your true level of kime will be reflected in the accuracy and quality of your techniques and any errors in judgement will then be clearly visible for everyone else to see. If your kime is found lacking then in effect nothing you just did should be considered real. No amount of strength, no amount of speed, and no amount of kiai can ever make up for a lack of kime.
 
In your training you must believe in what you are doing, and that belief must have a definitive beginning and ending, an ending that you will find you can only reach by putting all of your other thoughts aside and focusing for as long as it takes to achieve your goal. Without this all encompassing belief in the success of what you are attempting to do your techniques will become nothing more than physical actions without any mental substance, in a world where mental substance is often the difference between victory or defeat.
 
Without kime your karate has no value.
 
Kime is only effective when nothing else matters.
So there you have it, the four basic fundamentals [= stance, posture, balance, & kime] without which your karate will not develop properly.
 
So train hard, train often, and make these fundamentals the basis for everything you do in the dojo.
 
 
Remember
Stance, posture, balance, and kime,
are the foundation upon which you must build.