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Offline Makoto

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Being able to take a knock
« on: October 12, 2006, 12:55:09 PM »
Does anyone on these forums do anything special to be able to better take a hit to the body, in ITKF style competitions. I just got back from the worlds, and was surprised by the amount of contact was allowed to the body. I realized that I need to toughen up my body if I am going to compete at that level again.

Any suggestions on how to better do that?

I thought about doing some type of full contact fighting, but I do not see how getting injuried is going to help me in the long run. Medicine ball sounds fine, but I train solo mostly, so I have no one to drop the thing on me. Maybe some kind of pully system.
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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 07:38:24 PM »
From my (limited) competition experience I can totally sympathise. A lot of guys in the at the UKTKF comps (in the kyu categories anyways) really went for it with the body shots. I think the feeling is that its hard to get disqualified for lack of control in hitting the body, as damage is much less visible.. so guys just tend to go for it.. all the better to 'hobble' your opponent early on the fight and give yourself an easy time. I noticed that very few people target the head for this same reason.. its just too risky.

They might as well have said it was semi contact, chudan targets only.

For what its worth, I got quite badly winded a few times and also made a promise to myself to do some sit-ups, raises or crunches before the next comp..

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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2006, 10:14:29 AM »
 mole bach, how s your foot? when will you be kicking arse again?
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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 11:33:41 PM »
Does anyone on these forums do anything special to be able to better take a hit to the body, in ITKF style competitions. I just got back from the worlds, and was surprised by the amount of contact was allowed to the body. I realized that I need to toughen up my body if I am going to compete at that level again.

Any suggestions on how to better do that?

I thought about doing some type of full contact fighting, but I do not see how getting injuried is going to help me in the long run. Medicine ball sounds fine, but I train solo mostly, so I have no one to drop the thing on me. Maybe some kind of pully system.

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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2007, 12:46:08 AM »
Practice Hangetsu........

Explain please :-)
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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2007, 10:28:07 AM »
Practice Hangetsu........

Explain please :-)

.....if it needs explaining then you're obviously not ready for it Huw  :P


....but seriously - I happen to agree with the point of view that everything that you need for Karate is in Kata and that KAta performed properly is in fact Kumite - assuming that you are prepared to read between the lines and can overlook the "relatively new-fangled" techniques such as MAwashi-Geri etc. (although it's obviously possible to practice the Traditional Shotokan Kata while keeping an eye open for situations/combinations where such additional techniques could be substituted or added.....  :wink:)

Bearing this point of view as my frame of reference for this discussion I hold that and "body conditioning" necessary for combat will also be inherrent in correct practice of the various Kata. In this context my use of the term "body conditioning" is meant to imply more than the "standard/normal" body conditioning that is inherent in the repetition of Kihon/ Physical exercises or Stretching etc. but not the "extreme" forms of body conditioning often shown in Martial Arts Films - e.g. driving fist/fingers into buckets of sand/gravel/brokenglass  :shock:

NOTE: Used sensibly I don't consider Makiware use to be "extreme"  :wink:

Right - so back to the original question and my response.

I think that being able to "take a knock" in the context raised originally by Makoto - where it was basically body hits being discussed - is not so much, or solely, dependant on the musclature of the body being hit - but at least (if not more IMO) as dependant on the use  of the musclature in that area along with correct breathing and body tension at the time of impact.

Think of it is the same contect of "Kime/Focus" when striking or blocking.

To this end I think that the Shorei Style Kata - such as Hangetsu which I mentioned - have a more obvious inherent body conditioning element due to the emphasis on some parts of the Kata having extremely slow sections with "exaggerated" body tension and breathing focus.

It's this aspect of these Katas which I feel will help Karetka to develop the necessary ability to focus thier muscles and breathing properly to avoid/minimise damage to themselves when hit.

Jim

EDIT: Note - I didn't use the term Ki at all........  O:)
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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2007, 01:46:13 PM »
....alternatively there's this approach  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hurtubise

EDIT: especially this one :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPS2l5fQ55A

 
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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2007, 01:59:12 PM »
This is great. Mad as a box of frogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPS2l5fQ55A&NR
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Re: Being able to take a knock
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 02:09:38 PM »
This is great. Mad as a box of frogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPS2l5fQ55A&NR

Yes - I thought so too  ](*,)
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