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Offline Gillian

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« on: January 23, 2007, 10:50:49 AM »
im having trouble in kumite with my blocks.

i keep being told that i can perform any block i want, but there are so many different ones in my head that i think i could do, i cant pick one block to do on the spur of the moment and i end up either just doing the basics (age uke, soto uke, etc) or not doing anything at all.  :oops:

im really worried about it, how do you get some spontineity (sp?) into kumite?

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Re: imagination
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 11:08:10 AM »
im having trouble in kumite with my blocks.

i keep being told that i can perform any block i want, but there are so many different ones in my head that i think i could do, i cant pick one block to do on the spur of the moment and i end up either just doing the basics (age uke, soto uke, etc) or not doing anything at all.  :oops:

im really worried about it, how do you get some spontineity (sp?) into kumite?
Lots and lots and lots of Kumite practice.
Over and over and over again.
Pretty soon your mind will switch off and your body will move on it's own accord.
Meanwhile , keep practicing all the different blocks and counters so that your body has a learned behavioural catalogue to choose from.

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Cryfach oedd ei ebill ef a'i ddur,
Chwyddodd gyfoeth gwr yr aur a'r faenol,
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Re: imagination
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 11:26:56 AM »
Hi Gillian,

what type of kumite are we talking about here?  e.g  Jyu-kumite or gohon ippon?

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Re: imagination
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 11:35:46 AM »
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what type of kumite are we talking about here?  e.g  Jyu-kumite or gohon ippon?

Lloydie

jyu ippon kumite (3 meters apart).

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Re: imagination
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 12:22:57 PM »
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jyu ippon kumite (3 meters apart).
The only blocks as such, that I would recommend are in the first two attacks.  i.e. defense from Jodan Oi-tsuki & Chudan Oi-tsuki.  These rest of the attacks are kicks and I certainly would not try to get into the habit of blocking kicks!  For sure, you can have some "insurance" as you move out of the line of the kick, "but don't block kicks" is drummed into us by Moley!!
In this case, I would suggest varying only the defensive blocks for the 1st two attacks and concentrating on "sabaki" for the other attacks.  Trying to think which block might work against a powerful kick, will eventually get you into a world of hurt IMHO.

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Re: imagination
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 02:34:35 PM »
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jyu ippon kumite (3 meters apart).
The only blocks as such, that I would recommend are in the first two attacks.  i.e. defense from Jodan Oi-tsuki & Chudan Oi-tsuki.  These rest of the attacks are kicks and I certainly would not try to get into the habit of blocking kicks!  For sure, you can have some "insurance" as you move out of the line of the kick, "but don't block kicks" is drummed into us by Moley!!
In this case, I would suggest varying only the defensive blocks for the 1st two attacks and concentrating on "sabaki" for the other attacks.  Trying to think which block might work against a powerful kick, will eventually get you into a world of hurt IMHO.

Lloydie

Interesting perspective Lloydie..........

...However doesn't the grading syllabus (asking a question here) actually require a "proper" blocking technique to be performed irrespective of any avoidance/sabaki..... ?

I agree that in non-grading or non grading-practice situations then it's much more effective to simply avoid and hit the attacker but it's also just as effective for the jodan/chudan puch attack as well..... :?


So how about outlining some of the "standard" blocks for the Jyu-Ippon Kumite Grading Syllabus attacks then ?


1) Oi-Tsuki Jodan - Step straight back with right leg and block Age-Uke Jodan - counter Gyaku-Tsuki Chudan (or whatever is most appropriate for your distance etc. e.g. Uraken Jodan perhaps)

2) Oi-Tsuki Chudan - Step straight back with right leg and block Soto-Ude-Uke Chudan - counter Gyaku-Tsuki Chudan ( or whatever is most appropriate for your distance etc. e.g. Chudan Empi in Kiba-Dachi perhaps)

3) Mae-Geri Chudan - Step back with right leg while pivoting at 45 degrees counter clockwise and block the inside of the kicking leg with Gedan-Barai - counter Gyaku-Tsuki Chudan ( or whatever is most appropriate for your distance etc. e.g. Mae-Geri or Kizami Mae-Geri Chudan Perhaps) - for Mae-Geri Jodan I'd probably just use 5) below again.......

4) Yoko-Geri Chudan/Jodan - Step back with right leg while pivoting at 135 degrees clockwise and block the outside of the kicking leg with Soto-Ude-Uke - counter Gyaku-Tsuki Chudan ( or whatever is most appropriate for your distance etc. e.g. MawashiGeri Chudan or Kizami-Tsuki Jodan Perhaps)

5) Mawashi-Geri Chudan/Jodan - Step back with right leg while pivoting at 45 degrees counter clockwise and block the inside of the kicking leg with Uchi-Ude-Uke - counter Gyaku-Tsuki Chudan ( or whatever is most appropriate for your distance etc. e.g. Mae-Geri or Kizami Mae-Geri Chudan Perhaps or Kizami-Tsuki Jodan)

6) Ushiro-Geri Chudan - Step back with left leg while pivoting at 90 degrees clockwise and block the inside of the kicking leg with Gedan-Barai - counter Gyaku-Tsuki Chudan ( or whatever is most appropriate for your distance etc. e.g. MawashiGeri Chudan or Kizami-Tsuki Jodan Perhaps)


As Lloydie suggests - it's best to move such that you are not "depending" on the block but use it to cover the attack - aim to have the blocking arm just touching the attacking limb at the end of the block as this should help improve your distance judgement and leave you within good counter attack range (for your counter that is !)

I also think that it's good sometimes to "use the block" - at least enough so that you - and the attacker - feel it as it gives you (the defender) usefull feedback on whether it would have been effective - and also gives the attacker some "spirit training" and encourages you to aim to "kick through" the block (unless of course the attacker is a total-wuss(tm), in which case they will start pulling the kick, which is good news for the defender.  :twisted:

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Re: imagination
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 03:01:22 PM »
apologies Jimmy, I was not clear in my post. 
Yes, do the blocks as Jimmy says, but do not rely on a blocking technique to block the direct force of the kick(s).  Rather the block is more a deflection, which along with avoidance such as sabaki, will better neutralise the attack.

I know that Kawasoe Sensei commented that he did not like an open two-handed downward block to yokogeri when he saw it at a grading.
I also remember Gwyn Edwards blocking one of Gizmo's kicks in the dojo a few years back  :shock: :shock:  Was it 6 or 8 weeks 'till the plaster came off Moley?

 :D

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Re: imagination
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 03:46:33 PM »
LOL - no need to apologise   :lol:  :D

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I know that Kawasoe Sensei commented that he did not like an open two-handed downward block to yokogeri when he saw it at a grading.

....I'm having some difficulty visualising this block Lloydie - unless you're referring to Jiyu-Uke of course ....- with the open referring to the "gap" as opposed to the hands.... but that seems unlikely (well at least against Yoko-Geri - unless it was Keage I suppose....)  :?
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Re: imagination
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2007, 04:03:48 PM »
nah, it was like a double handed slap down I've not really seen before, at least not in the context of a block to a kick.


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Re: imagination
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2007, 04:30:39 PM »
 :D I came up with a new move last night, Azzy punched me in the mouth only a light punch,(no control on the counter punch) I slapped him in the face. It worked he didn;t do it again..... :lol:
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Re: imagination
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2007, 04:47:07 PM »
nah, it was like a double handed slap down I've not really seen before, at least not in the context of a block to a kick.


Lloydie


......what.... like the start of Tekki-Shodan or Bassai-Sho..... :?
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Re: imagination
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2007, 05:38:21 PM »
Think more "doggy paddle" Jim ad you'll be getting close. No offence Gillian but I think that double slap technique is just an invitation to broken fingers!   :(
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Re: imagination
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2007, 05:50:10 PM »
I *knew* when I posted this I'd end up trying to describe it!!!

Jimmy, start off in normal stance, but hands in tekki Shodan position.  Raise your hands to face height, allowing your elbows to naturally extend outwards.  Your hands should now be face height, together at an angle of 70 degrees or so.  imagine a kick coming in, you bring your hands down sharply, bringing your elbows slightly together, slapping the kick - and breaking your fingers..... :D

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Re: imagination
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2007, 06:36:26 PM »
......Ouch !

....can just about see it n response to a mae-geri with appropriate body shift but against yoko-geri  :shock:    :lol:
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Re: imagination
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2007, 09:10:49 AM »
thanks guys, lots of good info there.   :)

i guess i just have to keep practicing and eventually it will come to me (and ill keep my hands away from kicks!  :shock:  )

Gillian. xx.