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3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite are for Yondan and above ONLY !
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:35:08 PM »
I propose that in Jiyu-Kumite a karateka needs to be of Yondan or higher grade to effectively use combinations consisting of three or more techniques.......
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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 06:34:43 AM »
OK, I like this one, but first define "effectively use"

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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 07:06:54 AM »
Shodan examination combination:

Mae Geri - Juun Tsuki - Guaku Tsuki

I think that this is an ideal opener for Shodan Juy Kumite as well. They don't look like they are playing "tag".

Grading time is "Dojo Kumite" not Comp Kumite.
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Re: 3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 08:49:38 AM »
Quote from: Lloydie on September 13, 2007, 06:34:43 AM
OK, I like this one, but first define "effectively use"

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"effectively use" - how about "able to deliver all three techniques without leaving an opportunity for an opponent to counter between the techniques whilst still delivering each individual technique with proper focus/timing/distance (allowing for the opponent's movement/reaction) that it would score" ?

EDIT: - BTW I don't mean that you need to "score" with each technique - just that if the opponent doesn't move/react properly to the delivery it would score effectively - hope that makes sense.... :)

RE: Moley's feedback - Well whilst I don't disagree about the suggested combo being potentially effective in a Jiyu Kumite situation - I would certainly suggest that most Dan Grades wouldn't have much of a problem if attacked with this combo as performed during most shodan gradings....  :twisted:

RE: Dojo vs Grading Kumite - I agree entirely  8)

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Re: 3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 09:10:35 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheHoover on September 13, 2007, 08:49:38 AM

RE: Moley's feedback - Well whilst I don't disagree about the suggested combo being potentially effective in a Jiyu Kumite situation - I would certainly suggest that most Dan Grades wouldn't have much of a problem if attacked with this combo as performed during most shodan gradings....  :twisted:


Mmmmmmmm... Seems to work O.K. for some 1st Kyu's we have !

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RE: Dojo vs Grading Kumite - I agree entirely  8)

Don't you mean Dojo vs Competition kumite here / Usually in our Gradings we do Dojo Kumite...i.e. not stop after a point is scored but stop after Sensei Nods his head.
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Re: 3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2007, 09:58:49 AM »
Quote from: Moley on September 13, 2007, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: JimmyTheHoover on September 13, 2007, 08:49:38 AM

RE: Moley's feedback - Well whilst I don't disagree about the suggested combo being potentially effective in a Jiyu Kumite situation - I would certainly suggest that most Dan Grades wouldn't have much of a problem if attacked with this combo as performed during most shodan gradings....  :twisted:


Mmmmmmmm... Seems to work O.K. for some 1st Kyu's we have !

Quote from: JimmyTheHoover on September 13, 2007, 08:49:38 AM

RE: Dojo vs Grading Kumite - I agree entirely  8)

Don't you mean Dojo vs Competition kumite here / Usually in our Gradings we do Dojo Kumite...i.e. not stop after a point is scored but stop after Sensei Nods his head.

Mmmmmmm........... even within the context of the earlier definition ?  :?

Yes indeed  - Dojo vs Comp - no comparison except when you don't mind getting disqualified all the time - my mistake  :oops: - but I was agreeing  :D
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Re: 3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 10:16:06 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheHoover on September 13, 2007, 09:58:49 AM
Mmmmmmm........... even within the context of the earlier definition ?  :?

Quote from: JimmyTheHoover on September 13, 2007, 08:49:38 AM


"effectively use" - how about "able to deliver all three techniques without leaving an opportunity for an opponent to counter between the techniques whilst still delivering each individual technique with proper focus/timing/distance (allowing for the opponent's movement/reaction) that it would score" ?

EDIT: - BTW I don't mean that you need to "score" with each technique - just that if the opponent doesn't move/react properly to the delivery it would score effectively - hope that makes sense.... :)



After an onslaught/driveback with the Maegeri/juunTsuki..adding a Tsugiage before the HuakuTsuki...The GuakuTsuki can be firmly "Planted in"

I've seen Shane do it.
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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2007, 10:30:30 AM »
100% in Seki I think you'll find ;-)
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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2007, 10:45:20 AM »
Quote from: Huw on September 13, 2007, 10:30:30 AM
100% in Seki I think you'll find ;-)
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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2007, 11:06:28 AM »
We don't do percentages in my org   :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2007, 11:12:46 AM »
Quote from: Moley on September 13, 2007, 11:06:28 AM
We don't do percentages in my org   :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmmmmm..... what about 100% Dead ?   :lol:
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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2007, 11:18:23 AM »
O.K. Seriously Jimmy...Shane is exceptional

But still I keep drilling it into shodan candidates to use combination attacks rather than the ocassional jab or halfhearted kick.

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Re: 3 three Technigue Combinations in Kumite - For Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 11:38:29 AM »
I know what you mean - Colin and Alan are always pushing the "Always Have One More Ready" when doing Kumite Drills and I agree - it's just that I personally think that (from observation and personal experience  :oops:) that it's pretty difficult to retain the necessary focus and concentration to deliver two "proper" techniques in a combo without simply using one as a feint - and that's a pretty dangerous habit to get into - although it does tend to be "self rectifying"  :twisted:
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Re: 3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite are for Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 05:08:41 PM »
 :D Jimmy you will have to come down  here on holiday bring your gi and train with us, then you'll see how we are. :twisted: :evil:
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Re: 3 three Technique Combinations in Kumite are for Yondan and above ONLY !
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 06:07:31 PM »
Quote from: Shari on September 13, 2007, 05:08:41 PM
:D Jimmy you will have to come down  here on holiday bring your gi and train with us, then you'll see how we are. :twisted: :evil:

It might be my idea of a Holiday Shari but I'm not so sure that Mrs. JTH would agree  :lol:

I keep hoping that I'll get a "works outing" for a couple of days somewhere driveable but no luck so far  :?

But I've so far managed to pair up with Gungnir and Huw and not been disappointed  :D - after all I'm an Honorary Seki now  8)
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